Ross Coulthart : "I now know categorically that the tic-tac is Lockheed Martin technology."

In an July 7, 2025, interview with Bryce Zabel, journalist Ross Coulthart revealed the reasons behind the strong secrecy surrounding UAP technologies.

Coulthart made a series of statements during the interview:

I'm increasingly drawn to the idea that fundamentally, Congress has now realized it's been lied to, it's now becoming aware of the legacy program. But there's a counter spin, a counter play in place from the national security state that's been hiding this. And they're saying, if you reveal the whole NHI technology connection, you're going to jeopardize an important national security program. I'm increasingly convinced, Bryce, that the United has made advancements in electro gravitics.

For a long time, it has been rumored that secret U.S. prototypes misidentified by witnesses accounted for some UFO reports. Though seldom acknowledged by US intelligence and the military, examples such as the U2, the F117, and the B2 have shown that this was indeed the case. These cases are often disregarded by those in the public who are interested in UFOs and their enigmas. These individuals expect answers to their ontological questions about their own existence. However, these cases could be the tip of a much larger iceberg.

And I think a lot of that has been done in the black. And I think what I suspect is going on is there are a number of people in the national security establishment who argue “noble cause”. They would say like a cop used to when he bricked somebody up and falsely accused them of a crime, knowing they were guilty. I would suggest that there are people in the national security establishment who didn't trust Congress, who felt that it would leak. And they conspired with certain presidents to essentially put all of this into a box, keep it under an executive order and keep it secret illegally from Congress. And I think now there's a dilemma for certain key people in Congress who I suspect know more and more about the existence of this program. And I think at the heart of it, there's I think an increasing pessimism on my part that Congress is going to be willing to be seen to be breaking open this nut.

Such an explanation would provide sufficient reason to enforce secrecy on the subject. If it is difficult to justify using secrecy to prevent contact with non-human intelligence, then breakthrough technologies developed following such contact—whether or not it even occurred—would be protected by the full force of the U.S. military and intelligence agencies. This was a hard-learned lesson following World War II and the leak of nuclear secrets to the USSR. The Espionage Act of 1918 was strengthened over the years, even though it included the death penalty from the start.

Look, certain people I'm talking to, I thought for a while that the United States has definitely been working on a program on electro-gravitics. I'm increasingly persuaded that they are making breakthroughs. I think they've not been able to replicate a lot of the material science of some of the NHI technology that they've recovered. But I think the basic concept of electro-gravitics, I suspect the US made a breakthrough perhaps as long as 40, 50 years ago.

When people hear the term "reverse engineering," they often picture engineers dismantling a device to understand how it works. While this can happen, such an approach rarely uncovers more than half of the technology used. This is because you need to understand the idea behind the technology to fully grasp the solution designed for an unknown problem in a series of interlinked systems. A much simpler approach is to assess that a technology actually exists, henceforth it is feasible and to uncover it you can invest in ways to achieve the same results, even if it means using other technologies that you develop on your own.

yes, we've achieved breakthroughs, but our enemies, our potential foreign adversaries, China particularly, and Russia are as well. And there's a fear that because of the excessive secrecy and compartmentalization that's been placed around this topic, we are losing any potential advantage that we've been enjoying in say the last 20 or 30 years. And our enemies' potential foreign adversaries are beginning to overtake us. And it's interesting, I'm doing a lot of work at the moment. I noticed that there's a House Oversight Committee hearing into drone incursions and they're taking an interest in the drone incursions. And just recently, I've been talking to people about the drone incursions over CONUS, the continent of the United States, and those incursions, of course, were also taking place in different parts of the world, notably over parts, military bases in Western Europe and the UK, and notably military bases known to be supporting or storing American nuclear weapons. The suggestion that is being put to me is that the Chinese have indeed made a huge advance in electrogravitic technology. and it's taken us by surprise, and that the United States has been caught asleep at the wheel. It was complacently, hubristically thinking that it was way ahead of its foreign adversaries, and in fact the big show that took place, notably I know it was reported mainly over New Jersey, I'm increasingly persuaded that the initial show, at least, was in part Chinese, and that what happened was the United States responded with technology of its own to muddy the waters.

As previously reported by Sentinel News, the most astonishing feature of the recent UFO sightings since 2018 is their focus on U.S. strategic interests, whether on U.S. soil or abroad. Meanwhile, China has been amassing its forces to invade Taiwan. A basic rule for preventing an ally from coming to the rescue of your target is showing that the ally is vulnerable to a deep-strike attack on its own territory through a show of force. Is it just a coincidence that, as China prepares to invade Taiwan, UFOs are targeting US interests and saturating communication channels—the very event the US military feared would happen in the 1950s?

You had two generals, Glenn being one of them, essentially admitting they are powerless to act against some kind of drone technology, which is technologically superior to what we've got, operating with impunity, apparent impunity over some of the most sensitive military bases in the United States. And that's the issue that I think is defining the anxiety in Congress right now, that essentially we do not want to show our hand to our foreign adversary of how developed our technology is, and that by revealing what we know about NHI technology that we've been able to back engineer, the big issue with a big fear is that by in any way disclosing that, we are going to give away a strategic advantage that we might have against potential foreign adversaries that do appear to be reconnoitering, doing reconnaissance on some of our most sensitive military bases.

The Ukraine conflict demonstrated to the world that a post-nuclear deterrent WWIII would be fought with swarms of small, undetectable dthe rones that can conduct strikes using diversion, while infantry lines capture territory with the help of an artillery barrage, forcing your adversary to retreat. UAP-based technologies developed for drones could become the new Manhattan Project, enabling battles to be won without the use of even tactical nuclear weapons.

The sources are telling me that the drone incursions over the continental United States, a large part of that originally was Chinese.

Given the development of fiber optic drones to counter UAS technologies, one could consider using nuclear weapons as a deterrent against swarms of drones—a new version of McChrystal's idea during the Vietnam War to bomb Laos and prevent Chinese reinforcements from coming.

It's either ours, which the United States has categorically denied it is. That's the thing. And I think they're lying, by the way. I think some of it was ours. Or when I say ours, I mean the United States, even though some of it, I suspect, has been operating down here in Australia to be tested in remote parts of the Outback. It's either ours, which, of course, there's been a formal denial about. It's either Alien, NHI, which everybody poo-poos about. I suspect, I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of it was. Or it's Foreign Adversary.

Even if the U.S. was the first to discover such breakthrough technologies, implementing a large-scale industrial enterprise would require a national government capable of converting part of its industries to secret defense development. This would be challenging for a democracy like the US, but authoritarian countries like Russia and China have developed their military-industrial complexes for this purpose for decades. While neither system performs well—as evidenced by the failure of the F-35 and the F-7—Chinese defense has the authority to mobilize its national factories, especially since China is already the world's leading drone manufacturer.

I do know that there are people in Congress who have been apprised of the existence of a US electrogravitic technology program that the Congress was not read into, that the Gang of Eight was not read into, and that even presidents have not been told about. And I think what's happening at the moment is the CIA, the Defense Department are scrambling to bog up the cracks in their deceit. And I think there's an ex post facto attempt to try to brief, keep people in Congress, and keep Congress happy. And one of the problems you've got is you've got members of the Republican rump, who are of course the ruling party in the Congress, who are basically, they like the idea that the United States has technology that is ass kicking. The problem is, my sources think they're not being told the whole story. My sources think they're not aware of the implications of these drone incursions. Think about this, Bryce. We had four months, something, someone operating with apparent impunity over the continental United States. And we have the President of the United States through his spokesperson, saying that it was FAA authorized research drones, which is a big steaming pile of doctored bullshit. That's a terrible term, by the way. It's just an absolute bullshit. Now, the thing that I find incredible is the media just lamely accepts this. And then you have this bullshit Wall Street Journal series that comes out, which tries to placate any suggestion of UFOs. I see a distinct pattern here of deliberate disinformation to try and steer the public away from the implications of what we're talking about here. And this is really serious.

By the Defense Department and the intelligence community and the private aerospace community that do not want to have a public reckoning about what they've been working on.

Such cover-ups by states are not uncommon. The Tonkin Gulf incident, the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, and Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction are just a few examples from a long list. The real Achilles heel of governments isn't attacks by other countries, but rather having their authority questioned by their own citizens. This is why most foreign intelligence operations aim to stir up unrest among the population using social networks and helping dissidents. Their goal isn't to foment a revolution, which can be messy, but rather to slow down the targeted country so much that its government focuses all its attention on internal struggles.

We know that Kash Patel, the head of the FBI under Trump, is basically a person who has avowed an intention to get to the bottom of the UAP mystery. He's been quite upfront and open about that. We know also I've been talking to some members of the FBI team who've approached me and asked me for help in pointing them to potential whistleblowers. There is an ongoing and has been for many, many months, FBI investigation into alleged federal crimes. They're taking very, very seriously the suggestion that there's been any illegality or criminality committed by anyone in this UAP story. This is an ongoing FBI investigation. And I can tell you, having spoken to some of these people, they're good people and they seem very determined to get to the truth. And as I think you and I are referring to, there is a proposed piece of legislation that will likely come up before the Congress in the next month or two, which essentially would designate the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, as the lead agency to investigate unidentified anomalous phenomena. And it's also assigning, if this legislation goes through, the FBI to collaborate with AARO, but let there be no doubt, it's essentially it's sidestepping the Defense Department's appointment of AARO as the lead UAP investigator.

Could infighting within the United States' power structure be the real objective of those trying to stir up unrest in the country? The FBI is neither mandated nor obligated to publish public reports on UAPs. AARO's sidestepping could mean less information for the public, even though the accuracy of the information they published has been questioned.

The speculation I'm hearing from my many sources is that it was China and that it was a big FU from China to the United States saying, we don't care if you see our drones. This is us scanning you guys, showing you the technology that we have. And we can do this with impunity over your most sensitive national security assets. And that is what I increasingly believe the United States doesn't want you, the public, to know.

Such public attention on the topic would undoubtedly slow down research on these technologies—another benefit for a foreign nation trying to prove its capabilities.

what I find is completely disingenuous of the United States Air Force is it's been sitting on, I believe, anti-gravitic technology now for decades, complacently thinking that they could continue developing this in the black and keep it secret from the American public and the Congress, they've started now, I think, selectively briefing and admitting to certain key members of Congress that they've got this technology.

Even if the Air Force managed to use part of its massive budget to discover breakthrough technologies regarding large aircraft, war doctrines have changed drastically in recent decades. Would a few advanced aircraft be enough to stop swarms of smaller drones? World War II tank warfare demonstrated the issue with focusing highly advanced weaponry on a limited number of platforms.

If I can find out some of this stuff then any dogged journalist on a major Newspaper in the United States could find it out I think part of the problem is that so many of the journalists in the United States media are in the thrall of the United States intelligence establishment that they're frightened of writing articles of gap without getting approval from their CIA handler. It’s just patently absurd for example what the Wall Street Journal ran in the last few weeks with its ridiculous series trying to dispel the whole UFO story as some kind of US Air Force hazing ritual.

The government's manipulation of mainstream journalists through dying newspapers is a real challenge in today's information warfare. The collapse of journalism revenue due to cost-cutting measures killed investigative journalism while favoring the reprinting of government announcements and statements. The amount of news that is republished worldwide is further proof that it is cheaper to reprint information, even false information, than to fact-check it. Recent examples of ever-changing governmental information during the pandemic are proof of that.

I think part of the part of the problem is if they start telling the truth about this technology, it may become apparent to rogue nations like for example, North Korea and Iran, that the technology is quite easily discovered and that's the other side to this that there's been the deliberate suppression of this technology inside the United States using things like the invention secrecy act and patents and national security laws for the last 50 60 years.

I think it's a screw up. I think the legacy program was conceived by Truman and Eisenhower to conceal the UAP mystery during the Cold War for, they would argue, laudable motives. And I've spoken to people in the military and the intelligence community who argue very strongly that there was a “noble cause” motive behind why this was done. Because frankly, the view was Congress couldn't be trusted.

The conflict between the administration and elected officials has been ongoing in the United States. On the one hand, vital secret projects need protection. On the other hand, the secrecy surrounding such projects has allowed officials to commit atrocities against their own citizens, as in the case of MK Ultra.

Often, elected officials return to the private sector after their political careers. They work for private contractors whom they often met during their time in office. This can lead to information leaks.

I'm hearing from people in the program is that if it isn't happening and that they're seeing the Chinese particularly developing advances that are far beyond what we're capable of, there is in fact a frustration that a large part of this program has been egregiously underfunded and that a lot of what has been developed has been kept secret by the private aerospace companies that control it.

I'm going to leave you with one thought today, Bryce. I now know categorically that the tic-tac is Lockheed Martin technology. Why are we being lied to? This is the issue.

I think the tic-tac is part of two, at least two different platforms that Lockheed's been working on, different platforms that they've been working on. And it's technology that until very recently, most of Congress was completely unaware of.

This revelation by Ross Coulthart, if confirmed true, shows how far the US has progressed regarding UAP technologies. Will that be followed by the US administration aknowledgment of a new platform, while they just unveiled their new F47? One can doubt they will be willing to state in front of US citizens thant the billions spent on conventional military platforms were just a front to cover UAP based military craft.

There's no doubt that such a statement will trigger UFO cults who believe that UAPs are benevolent extraterrestrials. For years, the Tic Tac was used as proof of their advanced technology. However, most should rejoice because it means that some UAP-based technologies have been understood and can be shared to benefit humanity.

Recently, Representative Burlison stated:

I've had two people come to me that say that the tic-tac is a Lockheed Martin creation. The latest person that came to me says he has video of the first, second, third iteration of the tic-tac, and he's going to show me. So I'm trying to set that up. The way he describes it is that they had a prototype, they've made changes to it, they've made it more advanced. And then now it's in iteration number three, which he's, I did see a photo of, and it looks like pretty advanced military craft, like a plane, but it's clearly human made. It's nothing that I've ever seen, our military has, but his claim is that they have discovered a propulsion that's a new type of propulsion. They used it in the first iteration, which was the tic-tac. They have an intermediary one that they are more advanced with. And then now they're putting it inside of what is conventionally, what looks conventional, so that it's not obvious.

A similar situation occurred in France in 2014. Almost all of the country's nuclear power plants were overflown by unidentified craft that witnesses sometimes described as UFOs. A parliamentary inquiry revealed that the crafts were indeed drones, but their pilots were seemingly never arrested, nor was their nationality made public. A lack of transparency like this can arise when the executive branch prefers to solve problems through nonpublic channels.

During the overflights of US bases in the UK, Bulgarian spies were arrested. During the New Jersey sightings, a Chinese national was arrested for flying a drone above the Vandenberg base.

Were these events just coincidences, or were they part of an intelligence collection operation coupled with information warfare?